Perfect Pass Speed Run Springs

[Dan B.]

Does the bushing go inside or outside of the shock body? In other words, in which direction should travel be limited?

Outside in the shaft to limit compression, inside the shock to limit ride height.

 

[Diem Turner]

I’m thinking it must be smoother over there in Wienerslider. Our VT roads are way less than groovy, especially coming out of winter. Frost heaves, etc. I’m honestly looking very forward to the modicum of suspension compliance that I think these springs will lend. Maybe when it’s set up and I can squish down the back of the car my fears will be negated and I too can enjoy naked shafts at the rear. Ummm, wait, that didn’t come out right…

It may not have come out right but I can promise you that it's going back in right.....

If you really want to get serious about euphemisms, go on a rant about proper maintenance and lubrication of ball joints...before you know it you're polishing and lubing balls. Someone should combine this discipline with shocks and hold a seminar about proper ball and shaft handling.

 

[dure16]

It may not have come out right but I can promise you that it's going back in right.....

If you really want to get serious about euphemisms, go on a rant about proper maintenance and lubrication of ball joints...before you know it you're polishing and lubing balls. Someone should combine this discipline with shocks and hold a seminar about proper ball and shaft handling.

Alright then, back to the topic at hand.

Do you know of any online resources, hopefully free and in video format, that showcase the most effective shaft speed and angle? Preferably tuned for smooth, curvy roads.

 

[LibertyMKiii]

the most effective shaft speed and angle? Preferably tuned for smooth, curvy roads.

What is the purpose/use case? This question comes across as unclear.

 

[Dan B.]

It may not have come out right but I can promise you that it's going back in right.....

If you really want to get serious about euphemisms, go on a rant about proper maintenance and lubrication of ball joints...before you know it you're polishing and lubing balls. Someone should combine this discipline with shocks and hold a seminar about proper ball and shaft handling.

I, for one, would gladly subscribe to the conversation. Especially if the critical ball and shaft lube information included the PP spring data.
Boom!

 

[Hammer Down]

If you really want to get serious about euphemisms, go on a rant about proper maintenance and lubrication of ball joints...before you know it you're polishing and lubing balls. Someone should combine this discipline with shocks and hold a seminar about proper ball and shaft handling.

I believe @SrC holds these types of seminars.. I know he’s a big supporter of polishing shafts and balls anyway.

 

[Diem Turner]

Alright then, back to the topic at hand.

Do you know of any online resources, hopefully free and in video format, that showcase the most effective shaft speed and angle? Preferably tuned for smooth, curvy roads.

The way in which your question is formulated sounds more like you're talking about drive shafts and not shock shafts. At minimum, I've never heard someone address shaft speed in relation to shocks. Or is there some magic frequency/speed for the shaft plunging in and out of the body?

And to answer that question...no, I will never be able to resist the urge of making topics drenched in this sort of vocabulary sexual. The only other area of expertise that rivals this one in terms of non-stop sexual references is the bleeding of hydraulic brakes with never ending references to nipples and pumping and "did it (the pedal) go hard?" "No." "KEEP PUMPING" "The nipple is off"...

Am I a child? lol...holy balls, you had better believe it.

Would you be so kind as to rephrase the question in a more concise manner, perhaps then I can move on from this childish, imbecilic behavior and find a different way to sexualize it.

 

[Dan B.]

perhaps then I can move on from this childish, imbecilic behavior and find a different way to sexualize it.

Dude, this is also my cross to bear. I think just I got a particular zone of really bad wiring when I was born.
For some weird and somewhat disturbing reason I’ve been unable to ever hear a Christmas carol without substituting pornographic lyrics. TMI? I’m pretty sure a team of skilled therapists (in Vienna?) could have a field day with me…

 

[Diem Turner]

I’m pretty sure a team of skilled therapists (in Vienna?) could have a field day with me…

There's not a doubt in my mind brother. I think it is no coincidence that therapists spells the rapists.

 

[RedondoBeachRC]

Mine arrived today

 

[Tex Koder]

Mine arrived today
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Can't wait to hear your opinions of those springs.

 

[RedondoBeachRC]

Can't wait to hear your opinions of those springs.

Initial thoughts, very nice quality and fronts are stiff but not as stiff as the rear. They feel stiff enough to where you might not need any fuel tube limiter.

Packaging was eh but I’d rather get the springs cheaper than to pay for nicer packaging.

Comparatively to my latest rendition titanium springs those feel more stiffer. But two weeks ago I put in a new design to lighten them up a bit because they felt too stiff. My goal is that they feel as stiff as these Perfect Pass. Truthfully, I like these PP more than my own lol

Tomorrow I’ll be able to throw it on the scale to get some comparative compression rates between these, Arrma and mine own.

 

[LibertyMKiii]

Initial thoughts, very nice quality and fronts are stiff but not as stiff as the rear. They feel stiff enough to where you might not need any fuel tube limiter.

Packaging was eh but I’d rather get the springs cheaper than to pay for nicer packaging.

Comparatively to my latest rendition titanium springs those feel more stiffer. But two weeks ago I put in a new design to lighten them up a bit because they felt too stiff. My goal is that they feel as stiff as these Perfect Pass. Truthfully, I like these PP more than my own lol

Tomorrow I’ll be able to throw it on the scale to get some comparative compression rates between these, Arrma and mine own.

I really appreciate you being honest about the product instead of pushing your product.
Not that I am in the market for springs at the moment for either brand, but shows good character.

 

[SrC]

I saw the Onboard Cam of Raz and his rear springs. Shock oscillation was at a minium. Well controlled. However, shock pack ( oil and piston selection) also needs to be balanced well along with the new spring rate.
My 2 cents.
BTW, I am not truly a Baller.
Prefer a C-Hub. With optional angle designs even better.
Why I like Tekno rigs best.
Tire scrub Radius angles on these 6s Arrmas are not all that/easy to dial in. Kind of obsolete now since they were carried over for years. As bashers go , most will never see any difference, I will concede.

 

[Dan B.]

Initial thoughts, very nice quality and fronts are stiff but not as stiff as the rear. They feel stiff enough to where you might not need any fuel tube limiter.

Packaging was eh but I’d rather get the springs cheaper than to pay for nicer packaging.

Comparatively to my latest rendition titanium springs those feel more stiffer. But two weeks ago I put in a new design to lighten them up a bit because they felt too stiff. My goal is that they feel as stiff as these Perfect Pass. Truthfully, I like these PP more than my own lol

Tomorrow I’ll be able to throw it on the scale to get some comparative compression rates between these, Arrma and mine own.

I’m looking forward to your compression testing. It should tell us definitively if these really are progressive rate springs. DISCLAIMER: I am in no way doubting the product, throwing shade, or in any way poo-pooing these springs. In fact, I’m really excited about them and can’t wait to try them out. I just honestly can’t understand how what clearly looks like an evenly wound linear rate spring could be progressive. The only way I can think of is if they were somehow manufactured with different steel tempering “zones” from top to bottom and that seems extraordinary unlikely, if not impossible for a spring this small, or that the actual diameter of the coil wire increases as you go up which is clearly, visibly, not the case here.
All that said, I’m not really even hung up on whether they are or are not progressive as long as they perform well, and it certainly looks like they should.
Further, I’d like to point out to those who said something to the effect of “definitely progressive, as I can compress them a few mm and then it gets harder” that a stiff linear spring does the same thing to a point. If you don’t believe me, try installing any stiff Diaz or @RedondoBeachRC springs. Sure you can compress them a little, and then it gets a whole lot harder, right? They’re still linear rate springs.

 

[SrC]

I’m looking forward to your compression testing. It should tell us definitively if these really are progressive rate springs. DISCLAIMER: I am in no way doubting the product, throwing shade, or in any way poo-pooing these springs. In fact, I’m really excited about them and can’t wait to try them out. I just honestly can’t understand how what clearly looks like an evenly wound linear rate spring could be progressive. The only way I can think of is if they were somehow manufactured with different steel tempering “zones” from top to bottom and that seems extraordinary unlikely, if not impossible for a spring this small, or that the actual diameter of the coil wire increases as you go up which is clearly, visibly, not the case here.
All that said, I’m not really even hung up on whether they are or are not progressive as long as they perform well, and it certainly looks like they should.
Further, I’d like to point out to those who said something to the effect of “definitely progressive, as I can compress them a few mm and then it gets harder” that a stiff linear spring does the same thing to a point. If you don’t believe me, try installing any stiff Diaz or @RedondoBeachRC springs. Sure you can compress them a little, and then it gets a whole lot harder, right? They’re still linear rate springs.

+1

 

[Jerold]

Runways aren't as smooth as we all envision them before our mind's eye.

Very true. The big runway at Moffet field looks like it is made of cement blocks.

The smaller, more used runway, has plenty of cracks filled.

Event the reflective paint on public roads can be 6mm or more in some cases.

However, where I'm at we have road turtles and utility covers. The road turtles are pretty much death, I've shave a few of them.

And the is no avoiding the covers. They are everywhere and all you can do is hope they are smooth enough.

 

[Notoriousone]

I got my PP springs in yesterday, I like them.. They are thicker and more robust than stock, and definitely progressive rather than linear. You can feel this just holding them between your fingers as the first few mm of travel they compress easily then resistance ramps up significantly the next 2mm or so. With a good setup and chassis ride height, I don't think any kind of limiters or tubing would be necessary with these. I happen to be rebuilding one of my cars in the next few days so these will go in, I'm eager to see what difference they make

 

[Dan B.]

I got my PP springs in yesterday, I like them.. They are thicker and more robust than stock, and definitely progressive rather than linear. You can feel this just holding them between your fingers as the first few mm of travel they compress easily then resistance ramps up significantly the next 2mm or so. With a good setup and chassis ride height, I don't think any kind of limiters or tubing would be necessary with these. I happen to be rebuilding one of my cars in the next few days so these will go in, I'm eager to see what difference they make

I keep hearing only the best things, I can’t wait to try these.

 

[RedondoBeachRC]

Sorry this took so long! This is only comparative, not true compression rates. But I used a drill press set to drop 1” from the top of the scale.

But should give us a relative idea on the stiffness.